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Thanks for the reply, yes I agree, i'm having a lot of trouble finding proper lighting solutions with VRAY, simply cant make it nice and contrasty without blowing it out too much:-( so then i usually end up with too much color mapping....can't figure out for the life of me how you guys make such natural light.........could use a tip on that:-) As for the cabinets thats just how they are, they dont have any additional details...but i could work a bit more on the wood material, true.